Dating Apps Are Broken. Bumble's CEO on What Comes Next. | Whitney Wolfe Herd | The Interview

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Wolfe Herd argues Bumble lost its way chasing growth metrics, explains her burnout and return as CEO, and says dating apps must change how users feel.

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   Build from the problem you lived

   Wolfe Herd rejects the idea that Bumble's women-first design was a marketing angle or a revenge plot against Tinder. She says that as a young woman who dated, she felt women had to wait for men to choose them, and she built for herself and her friends. In her telling, the feminist label came later from the media.

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   Refuse growth that breaks the match

   Wolfe Herd recalls a telephone provider offering to preinstall Bumble on its phones, bringing millions of free downloads, and says she declined. Her reasoning is that a marketplace depends on each person seeing someone relevant to them, so volume that works for a content platform does not help here. She says she ran the company's first years on quality over quantity.

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   Watch inputs, not outputs

   Wolfe Herd separates outputs such as revenue growth, payers and registrations from the core input: whether members are getting what they came for. She says that during the pandemic and other periods even her own team turned to outputs and stopped asking that question for too long. She adds that retention still matters, but that ten hours a day on Bumble would mean the company was doing its job the wrong way.

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   Own where the brand oversold

   Although Wolfe Herd felt critical coverage targeted young women CEOs, she concedes Bumble is not perfect, that women have been treated badly on it, and that it may have oversold itself at times. She calls a woman's first message a small step. She also takes accountability for product design that, in her opinion, leaves Gen Z users feeling judged and rejected.

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   Burnout and letting go of control

   Wolfe Herd says she left the CEO role because she was exhausted, and that stepping back was destabilizing because the company had become part of her identity. She says releasing control took maturity she did not know she had. When her successor told her it was no longer working, Wolfe Herd saw some of the same mistakes she had made, offered herself to the board, and says the board did its diligence before asking her back.

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