Whitney Wolfe, Founder and CEO of Bumble and Co-Founder of Tinder

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Wolfe Herd tells Katrina Lake how being underestimated, a defined brand personality and hiring for potential shaped Bumble, and how she turns dating-app churn into marketing.

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   Look for the customer others ignore

   Wolfe Herd says people saw dating apps as too saturated, while Bumble looked at the market through women's eyes. She says investors passed on what they could not see, and that money should follow as markets around women, such as health and fertility, get noticed. Her advice to future investors is to challenge how they see a category rather than judge from what came before.

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   Being underestimated buys you room

   Wolfe Herd argues that when nobody is watching, competitors don't spend to stifle you and you can simply run. She says people laughed at Bumble for so long that by the time it was a visible threat it was too late. Rejection motivates her personally, though she says proving people wrong is not the point, and she admits there are days she has no belief in herself.

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   Give the product a personality

   Wolfe Herd tells founders to go beyond how a product works and ask what it would be like as a person: kind or toxic, safe or dangerous. She uses Bumble's tagline, kind connections, as a test for features and campaigns, and expects it to shape more decisions. Once a company has scale, she says, the work shifts from taking whatever you can get to being precise about what not to do.

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   Hire for potential, then blend

   Asked about hiring, Wolfe Herd says she looked early on for values and potential beyond a resume, and that many early hires would not have been picked from a LinkedIn profile. She says structured roles such as legal and finance do need the resume. Her point is balance: some people who work from gut, and some who keep them in check.

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   Turn churn into a marketing engine

   Wolfe Herd says every investor's first question at the IPO was that a working dating app loses its users, and that she wrote churn on the board the day they wireframed Bumble. Her answer was to make meeting on Bumble something couples say openly, so a departing couple tells friends. She also tells founders to work out their customer's lifetime value and where they can go with that customer beyond the core product, with friend-finding as Bumble's example.

In Whitney’s words

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