Daniel Ek, CEO of Spotify — Habits, Systems and Mental Models for Performance | The Tim Ferriss Show

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Ek explains how he manages his energy, days, meetings and leadership roles at Spotify, moving from control toward sharing context, and treating each job as a temporary mission.

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   Manage energy through habits you can keep

   Ek says he once worked 100-hour weeks, carried 40 or 50 extra pounds and doubted that people who worked less could make it. His change came from going to the gym two days a week, keeping the parts he enjoyed, and making small swaps such as taking stairs, which he says left him with more energy for work, friends and his children.

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   Build your days around chosen priorities

   Ek confirms a routine in which family, exercise, a walk and reading come before work starts around 10:30, and says he rarely takes on more than three or four things a day. He credits Paul Graham's essay on the maker's and manager's schedules, and argues that most people give out their time on a first-come, first-served basis instead of choosing.

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   Decide your role in each meeting

   Ek argues that a CEO need not be the approver in every meeting, and with a strong team often should not be; he may be consulted, informed or simply a sounding board. He also says the purpose should be stated up front, and that he reads the material beforehand and prefers only a few minutes of rereading at the start, so more time goes to questions and next steps.

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   Share context instead of controlling decisions

   Ek recounts copying Silicon Valley CEOs by running a weekly product review until his head of product told him nobody enjoyed it and he added nothing. His first reaction was defensive, but after he stopped attending and the team did well, he concluded his value lay in explaining why a problem mattered so they could prioritize better themselves.

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   Treat jobs as missions, learning as the test

   Ek says people at Spotify hold a mission of about two years, an idea drawn from Reid Hoffman's tour of duty, because a fast-growing company changes every job even when titles stay the same. He says he judges people by their rate of learning, and that he relies on iteration because he cannot intuit the future.

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