Thinking Machines’ Murati on AI’s Next Chapter

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Murati argues frontier AI should be built for real-time collaboration with people, and that checks and balances matter alongside the character of those building it.

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   Bet on what others underbuild

   Murati says she started Thinking Machines to orient a whole company around her strong view of how the technology should be built. She sees room to differentiate because little work has gone into bringing machine intelligence closer to where human knowledge is; she calls autonomy an important part, but not the whole. Her frame is tools for thought that change what people think about, as modern numerals did for arithmetic.

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   Interaction models replace turn-taking

   Murati describes today's models as turn-based, unable to perceive anything while you talk or while they think. Thinking Machines' interaction models instead take in audio, text and video continuously in 20-millisecond chunks, which she says lets them catch interruptions and simultaneous speech.

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   What she would have done differently

   On the OpenAI board crisis, Murati says she shared feedback when the board asked and stands by it, then moved quickly once she thought the board's decision could make the company fall apart. Her stated priority was continuity of the mission and the team. Looking back, she says she would have paused more on the transition plan, adding that with hindsight there wasn't one.

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   Rely on structures, not just good people

   Murati says character matters because teams make many small decisions every day, but that the conversation gets too wrapped up in it. Even well-intentioned people can misjudge consequences, so she argues for checks and balances, transparent decision-making and, ideally, governance that does not hinge on one person.

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   Build for the long term under pressure

   Murati says she wants today's decisions to serve long-term success and tries to instil that in her team by resisting short-term pressures, though she allows that sometimes you have to embrace them. She would not call hiring a war, saying pay is not the main story for some of the most sought-after people, and says beating competitors is not what motivates her.

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